Some people like to compare those they wish to kill with Hitler and the Germans under Nazism.
But one comparison truly reflects history, not emotion, and truly holds up:
The Nazis wished to declare "Germans" a distinct ethnicity - and to marshal "Germans" together into a unified political force, in an ethnically and religiously homogenized homeland. This is plain fact.
The Zionists wish to declare "Jews" a distinct ethnicity - and to marshal "Jews" together into a unified political force, in an ethnically and religiously homogenized homeland.
This too is plain fact.
Zionism did come first, however, and Nazism was partly an emulation of it and partly a "pre-emptive" response against it.
Under Zionism (or Nazism,) a state would be "redeemed" through violent purification, and new Jewish-only (or German-only) "settlements" would be created through ethnic-cleansing - in Palestine and all the way to the Tigris-Euphrates (or Poland and all the way to the Ural Mountains).
The new state would be a highly egalitarian, worker-friendly, or "socialist" democracy, but it would reject the internationalism that is normally essential to socialist doctrine: the blessings of socialism and democracy would be neatly reserved for one distinct ethnicity, in an officially ethnic-supremacist land, wherein the special ethnic rights of the favored nationality would supercede the human rights of less favored groups.
The new state would be a democratic "National Socialism."
The national socialism, which was and remains the Zionist goal, is fundamentally identical to the national socialism we know as Nazism. Zionism is Jewish national socialism, just as Nazism was German national socialism.
Both Nazism and Zionism are based on a fancifully mythic interpretation of history and nationality - one producing a "Master Race," the other producing a "Chosen People" or "Sons of the Covenant" (B'nai B'rith).
Both latched onto a simplistic, ancient religious symbol - the swastika and star of David - as if to assume from it some special authority. In both cases, the adopted symbol actually has very little to do with the ethnic group it supposedly represents, and nothing to do with the violent racial or ethnic superiority claimed by those who use it as a banner of ethnic conquest and ethnic-cleansing. (Keep in mind that the Magen David has little to do with ancient Israel and nothing to do with the Eastern Europeans who converted to Judaism several centuries ago.)
In both cases, Zionism and Nazism, the ethno-centric tribal chauvinism and racism commonly found in Eastern Europe was transferred to and adopted by otherwise-modern elements of a broader group - "the Germans" and "the Jews" - and that Eastern European racist ideology would displace what was civilized and decent in the larger groups.
The main difference is, whereas Germans adopted an Eastern European tribal ideology, in the case of Zionism, a racist Eastern European group (Ashkenazim) physically migrated, with their tribal ideology, to Palestine, a totally MYTHIC "promised land," to which they had no hereditary or cultural ties, and found success by imposing their racism on innocent, unarmed, helpless, and non-racist people.
(A few mythic references to the Holy Land and its history do NOT constitute a cultural tie.)
Both Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel would build military power, secretly violating international law by manufacturing weapons - including NUCLEAR weapons - which they were not supposed to have, and both would conduct illegal espionage to steal materials they could not otherwise obtain.
Comparing Nazi Germany to IRAQ, on the other hand, is fanciful nonsense.
Neither Saddam Hussein nor Islam espouse any philosophy of ethnic superiority or supremacy, as Zionism does quite explicitly.
If we avoid comparing the credibility of their pretexts, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait CAN be compared with Nazi Germany's taking the Sudetenland - and then it can be compared with every invasion that has ever occurred.
In fact, the current pretexts for invading Iraq give it an equivalence with 1940 Poland, rather than Germany; and the Warsaw Ghetto is quite equivalent to the post-'67 Zionist Israeli occupied parts of Palestine.
The Zionist ethnic conquest of Palestine can be closely compared with the Nazi drive for "lebensraum" in Poland, through the importation of a desired ethnicity (German or "Aryan") at the expense of the indigenous people. And Israel's invasion of Lebanon, in 1982, was primarily a campaign of extermination against Palestinian civilians and national leadership (death toll estimates range between about 19,000 and 30,000), much like the extermination campaigns run by the Nazis in conquered European states.
In both cases, Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel, the official doctrine of ethnic-supremacy would create eternal conflict with all neighboring countries, and much of the world, until such time as the neighbors were totally crushed and dominated and the unwanted ethnicities and religions
wiped out or driven far, far away.
In both cases, much of the world would stand by, trying to profit as much as possible from the early "success" of a highly unified and officially racist doctrine, as it massacred tens of thousands of less favored ethnic types - until the danger got way too far out of hand and nuclear combat
became inevitable.
Dave Kersting
dakersting@earthlink.net
Let me say this again
From the horse's mouth:
(Hitler would never dare say such a thing as the above quote)
But one comparison truly reflects history, not emotion, and truly holds up:
The Nazis wished to declare "Germans" a distinct ethnicity - and to marshal "Germans" together into a unified political force, in an ethnically and religiously homogenized homeland. This is plain fact.
The Zionists wish to declare "Jews" a distinct ethnicity - and to marshal "Jews" together into a unified political force, in an ethnically and religiously homogenized homeland.
This too is plain fact.
Zionism did come first, however, and Nazism was partly an emulation of it and partly a "pre-emptive" response against it.
Under Zionism (or Nazism,) a state would be "redeemed" through violent purification, and new Jewish-only (or German-only) "settlements" would be created through ethnic-cleansing - in Palestine and all the way to the Tigris-Euphrates (or Poland and all the way to the Ural Mountains).
The new state would be a highly egalitarian, worker-friendly, or "socialist" democracy, but it would reject the internationalism that is normally essential to socialist doctrine: the blessings of socialism and democracy would be neatly reserved for one distinct ethnicity, in an officially ethnic-supremacist land, wherein the special ethnic rights of the favored nationality would supercede the human rights of less favored groups.
The new state would be a democratic "National Socialism."
The national socialism, which was and remains the Zionist goal, is fundamentally identical to the national socialism we know as Nazism. Zionism is Jewish national socialism, just as Nazism was German national socialism.
Both Nazism and Zionism are based on a fancifully mythic interpretation of history and nationality - one producing a "Master Race," the other producing a "Chosen People" or "Sons of the Covenant" (B'nai B'rith).Both latched onto a simplistic, ancient religious symbol - the swastika and star of David - as if to assume from it some special authority. In both cases, the adopted symbol actually has very little to do with the ethnic group it supposedly represents, and nothing to do with the violent racial or ethnic superiority claimed by those who use it as a banner of ethnic conquest and ethnic-cleansing. (Keep in mind that the Magen David has little to do with ancient Israel and nothing to do with the Eastern Europeans who converted to Judaism several centuries ago.)
In both cases, Zionism and Nazism, the ethno-centric tribal chauvinism and racism commonly found in Eastern Europe was transferred to and adopted by otherwise-modern elements of a broader group - "the Germans" and "the Jews" - and that Eastern European racist ideology would displace what was civilized and decent in the larger groups.
The main difference is, whereas Germans adopted an Eastern European tribal ideology, in the case of Zionism, a racist Eastern European group (Ashkenazim) physically migrated, with their tribal ideology, to Palestine, a totally MYTHIC "promised land," to which they had no hereditary or cultural ties, and found success by imposing their racism on innocent, unarmed, helpless, and non-racist people.
(A few mythic references to the Holy Land and its history do NOT constitute a cultural tie.)
Both Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel would build military power, secretly violating international law by manufacturing weapons - including NUCLEAR weapons - which they were not supposed to have, and both would conduct illegal espionage to steal materials they could not otherwise obtain.
Comparing Nazi Germany to IRAQ, on the other hand, is fanciful nonsense.
Neither Saddam Hussein nor Islam espouse any philosophy of ethnic superiority or supremacy, as Zionism does quite explicitly.
If we avoid comparing the credibility of their pretexts, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait CAN be compared with Nazi Germany's taking the Sudetenland - and then it can be compared with every invasion that has ever occurred.
In fact, the current pretexts for invading Iraq give it an equivalence with 1940 Poland, rather than Germany; and the Warsaw Ghetto is quite equivalent to the post-'67 Zionist Israeli occupied parts of Palestine.
The Zionist ethnic conquest of Palestine can be closely compared with the Nazi drive for "lebensraum" in Poland, through the importation of a desired ethnicity (German or "Aryan") at the expense of the indigenous people. And Israel's invasion of Lebanon, in 1982, was primarily a campaign of extermination against Palestinian civilians and national leadership (death toll estimates range between about 19,000 and 30,000), much like the extermination campaigns run by the Nazis in conquered European states.
In both cases, Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel, the official doctrine of ethnic-supremacy would create eternal conflict with all neighboring countries, and much of the world, until such time as the neighbors were totally crushed and dominated and the unwanted ethnicities and religions
wiped out or driven far, far away.
In both cases, much of the world would stand by, trying to profit as much as possible from the early "success" of a highly unified and officially racist doctrine, as it massacred tens of thousands of less favored ethnic types - until the danger got way too far out of hand and nuclear combat
became inevitable.
Dave Kersting
dakersting@earthlink.net
Let me say this again
In both Nazi Germany and Zionist Israel, the official doctrine is one of
ethnic-supremacy, the Master Race and the Chosen People.
ethnic-supremacy, the Master Race and the Chosen People.
The Nazis declared the "Germans" a distinct ethnicity and race, superior to others, the Master Race and sought to make "Germans" into an ethnically and religiously homogenized homeland.
The Zionists have declared "Jews" a distinct ethnicity, a distinct race, superior to others, the Chosen People of God and are trying to make the "Jews" and Israel into an ethnically and religiously homogenized homeland by driving the Palestinians, the original inhabitants, out.
Both Nazis and Jews sought to create a larger socialist state where their are "special ethnic rights" for the favored people.
Both Nazis and Jews seek to purify their race. In Hitler's Germany there were marriage laws and in Zionist Israel state paid Rabbi's of the fundamentalist Orthodox Judaism don't recognize marriages outside Orthodox Judaism. In Israel it is against the law to try and convert someone.
The Nazi's sought to create "lebensraum" or living room in Poland and the lands east to the Urals moving German settlers into the lands previously occupied by eastern Europeans.
The Jews are seeking "lebensraum" in Palestine and claim that all the lands from the Nile in Egypt to the Euphrates in Iraq were promised to the Chosen People by their God. The Zionists have moved settlers into lands previously occupied by the Palestinians (though now they are moving back out in some areas).
Both Nazism and Zionism chose simplistic, ancient religious symbol to rally the race and carry out a policy of ethnic conquest and ethnic cleansing.
Just as Nazism was German national socialism, Zionism is Jewish national socialism wrapped in a theocratic state. Both are based on a mythic interpretation of history, the Chosen People, the Master Race.
In 1940 Germany invaded Poland and created the Warsaw Ghetto. In 1967 the Jews seized what are now the occupied territories and created ghettos for the Palestinians with their Apartheid Wall and blockades around Palestinian villages.
Just as the Nazi's built up illegal weapons in their preparations for war Israel today has built up to 400 nuclear weapons and has refused to acknowledge them or sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.
Like the Nazis the Jews have had their racial scientists such as Elias Auerbach who wanted Jews to be "politically autonomous, culturally whole, and racially pure.” and Aron Sandler, Felix Theilhaber, and Ignaz Zollschan. Though Jewish organization here in the United States have historically supported unrestrained immigration into this country in Israel they practice the racial policies of the Nazis.
Both Nazism and Zionism created conflict with neighboring countries and sought to dominate them and drive out unwanted ethnicities. The eastern Europeans who were considered sub-human by the Nazis and the Palestinians? “We should get rid of the ones who are not Israeli citizens the same way you get rid of lice. We have to stop this cancer from spreading within us.” Rehavam Zeevi, member of the powerful Security Cabinet and Israel’s Minister of Tourism (Assassinated in October, 2001)
Unlike the Nazis the Jews have created a ethnic/nation that lives within other nations and seeks to bend them to their will, giving unwavering support for the racist theocratic state of Israel.
From the horse's mouth:
| "Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." |
| -Menachem Begin (Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983) |
(Hitler would never dare say such a thing as the above quote)
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